I haven’t watched AKIRA in years and all I remember is TETSUOOOOOOOOOO and KANEDAAAAAAAAAA but my memory is pretty good because that’s half their dialogue apparently
I have been waiting a whole year to reblog this.
(someone erased my original captioning, but it read “The Disney Princesses tell it like it is.”)
Great little comic on (lacking) diversity in Disney media
So many conflicting ideas on my head about this.
Against: FUCK OFF! IT’S A CHILDREN’S FILM AND BEFORE REPUNZEL WE HAD TWO DECADES OF POC PRINCESSES! TWO. DECADES. Also, both films are set in places without poc in them anyway :/ sorry. Also, merida is a Pixar Hero(ine) NOT a Disney Princess, and I will argue that point to the grave.
For: yeah, poc should be more represented in all media. Why go back on two decades worth of progress? Regardless of fantasy setting, some historical accuracy could at least be attempted.
What Jonny said. One girl on here was hitting a rage cause there were no poc in Brave. Brave is set in 10th century Scotland. There were no poc there at that time. Relax your balls and enjoy the movie.
going back through Brave stuff posted months or years ago is amazing. Just look at the high quality of commentary people added to pictures that blatantly address their point. Like how do you even manage to do that
(also “two decades”… what. As if white characters weren’t there in huge numbers at the same time? Also, simply having characters throughout a span of time doesn’t mean a group is represented enough… as is obvious via many recent films…)
The pictures aren’t addressing my viewpoint for Brave, though. It is historically accurate to not show PoC in the movie because there weren’t any PoC living there until the UK began slavery with people from India and then eventually Africa, and Pixar got condemned on Tumblr for keeping to that. Surely if you feel adding a PoC character is an obligation and not because they’re a part of the story is just as racist as deliberately leaving them out or making them white when they should be included in the story?
And you can’t compare the historical (in)accuracy with the use of magic (a character being transformed into a bear) seriously, how can anyone think that’s a valid comparison?
it actually did address your point but you are, I guess, so sure that slavery was the only way that PoC could get there besides an extensive historical worldwide trade network originating out of both the continents of Africa and Asia, that you didn’t bother to look up the point indicated in image 3. I honestly find your ignorance intentional because I know damn well that people have replied to your reblog with the blog medieval PoC, which, if you search through, has referenced Brave and Scotland multiple times.
Your complete lack of understanding of the past is exactly the reason that diversity is necessary- you can’t imagine a world where PoC might be present as non-slaves, as people with agency outside of what the British empire dictated, because the media you’ve been exposed to throughout your life has never presented that to you as an option…
I also, no, don’t see how including PoC, even if it’s done as an “obligation” because you can’t wrap your mind around them being a natural part of a story, is as racist as often excluding them or misrepresenting them in media. It is likely that certain people will continue to see their presence as “an obligation” so long as white narratives continue to be seen as an acceptable default…
I’m also not sure why you think chameleons and magical bears are somehow acceptable inclusions when PoC aren’t even though they actually could be there historically but this has been gone over so many times like it’s seriously right there in the images that idk why it was even put as a point.
I went ahead and bolded the parts of these responses that once again show that “historical accuracy” is only important to white people when it comes to casting MODERN MEDIA and excluding people of color from films.
Despite the historical fact that there is documented presence of people of color in Scotland since Classical times, through the Middle Ages, and into modern history.
During the Roman occupation of Scotland, there were over 260 camps of Roman soldiers, the archeological remains of which are visible from the air. The sheer amount of manpower sent into Scotland to try and subdue it grows ever larger as more investigations into these sites is conducted.
In fact, the rather famous disappearance of the IX Hispana Roman Legion is still being investigated, but analysis of primary sources shows that after a bloody defeat, the survivors may have just become part of the population of Scotland. All of this happened around 100 A.D.
Hispania, the origin of the Legion, was under Carthiginian Influence until the Punic Wars almost 100 years later, and on this map you can see the pre-Punic War sphere of Carthaginian influence:
In fact, I recently posted an interactive map that demonstrates just how easy and fast travel was in the days of the Roman Empire.
Going to the Middle Ages, we have Kenneth III, King of Scots from 997 to 1005 , also known as “Kenneth the Brown” whose race is still tiresomely debated in certain circles. There is no conclusive “proof” of his race because the racial categories we have today did not exist then. And of course, the former Romans living and working in Scotland at the time would have no written record of their activities or appearance because no one cared.
Once we get into the High Medieval and “Renaissance” period, written records of many specifically Black people in important royal circles. These records are a part of the UK government’s accessible to the public website:
James was a popular, fun-loving king with many interests. Many Black Moors were present at his court. Some worked as servants or (possibly) slaves, but others seem to have been invited guests or musicians. We know that he courted Margaret with lute and clavichord recitals and took her out hunting and playing sports.
After their marriage, the king’s Lord High Treasurer’s accounts provide numerous entries to show how much he enjoyed lively entertainment, employing foreign minstrels from Italy and elsewhere. King James was generous to all kinds of people, including Black Moors, as the following entries from the Treasurer’s accounts demonstrate:
- To celebrate Shrove Tuesday in 1505, several Africans including a 'taubronar' (drummer) and a choreographer were present in Edinburgh. Twelve dancers (including Italians) performed in specially made black-and-white costumes costing £13 2s 10d. Was this the origin of Morris (Moorish) dancing?
- In 1504-5 the ‘Moryen’ taubronar was paid 28 shillings to allow his taubroun (drum) to be painted.
- James bought a horse at a cost of £4 4s for this drummer, who accompanied him when he toured his northern domains.
Moor women were also mentioned in the Treasurer’s accounts. It is unclear whether or not they were servants, since they were showered with items such as gowns of satin, ribbons, slippers and gloves, paid for by the king.
Entries that refer to Moor women include:
- 'Blak Elene' or 'Elen More' was given five French crowns in 1512.
- A ‘blak madin’ who attended Queen Margaret was given four-and-a-quarter ells (just over five yards) of French russet.
- 'Blak Margaret' was given a gown costing 48s in 1513.
- 'Two blak ladies' staying at the Scottish Court were presented with 10 French crowns as a New Year gift at a cost of £7.
- In 1527, one item simply said ’ to Helenor, the blak moir - 60 shillings’ .
You can see that the primary sources are included:
I think it’s worthwhile to ask ourselves, why is bigscarytiger so very confident in asserting:
It is historically accurate to not show PoC in the movie because there weren’t any PoC living there until the UK began slavery with people from India and then eventually Africa…
This is the effect that the history taught in our classrooms has on real people.
People who feel supremely confident in saying, “you can’t have anyone who looks like you in our movie because you didn’t exist, and when you did it was just as slaves”.
Whitewashing history affects the present and the future.
i’m 99% sure whatever Blizzard has in store for the Andorhal chain (if they ever fucking finish it) is one of the DKs is gonna die
Sylvanas is figuring out how to rip away Koltira’s free will because she’s going full ham Lich Queen right? so once Thassarian finally gets his shit together (and the Ebon Blade and Argent Crusade come on you dormant motherfuckers) there’s gonna be a face off in UC
either Thassarian has to put MC’d Koltira down for the last time or Koltira finally kills Thass but never forgives himself afterward idk man i just have this DEEP SENSE OF IMPENDING TRAGEDY COMING THEIR WAY BECAUSE BLIZZARD IS AWFUL /headinhands
and because all my favorite characters die in soulcrushing ways so something like this will probably happen fml
her hair absolutely fazes through her arm
but hey at least she looks hot
can /you/ do any better?
I mean god damn are you people seriously going to pick at every little thing DID YOU NOT SEE HOW FUCKING BEAUTIFUL THE BACKGROUND WAS? HOW WONDERFULLY ANIMATED THE ICE AND SNOW AND MAGIC WAS?
Not to mention how INCREDIBLE her voice sounds in this scene
But no, is all ruined because a cartoon had her hair phase through her arm
um hi as a professional 3d animator this is actually really really sloppy of them and everyone should be pointing this out
first and foremost all the backgrounds and particle effects are pretty and shiny and nice and all but it doesn’t mean anything if your character animation isn’t up to snuff because you know that’s kinda what people go to see the movie for
second there are dozens and dozens of levels of quality control in the disney studios - i’ve seen shit a thousand times less noticeable than this get people torn apart during dailies by their instructors or their superiors
lemme tell you something when i was in school one time i had spent two weeks working out a piece where a guy jumps out of a filing cabinet and there was a four frame segment where the tip of his foot collided with the edge of the cabinet as he turned around
my instructors spent almost a full half an hour drilling me on it in front of the entire class because i was too lazy to go back and fix it
so no these guys have literally no excuse whatsoever they have the best and brightest in the business and all the money in the world to back it there is absolutely no reason for that kind of supreme laziness
I do understand that it was lazy, and yes, they could’ve gone back to fix it, but I’m just kind of hurt by the fact that the sheer beauty of the rest of the scene needs to be thrown awa because of this little slip up. I’ve seen next to nothing online about how amazing the rest of the scene looks but this is the billionth time I’ve seen the ‘OH GOD HER HAIR GOES THROUGH HER ARM’ comment.
I’ve seen worse fuck-ups in a movie. I had to watch hoodwinked.
Like damn why do we have to be so negative why can’t we just appreciate the good things?
because the good things are apparent and self-evident to people usually
the thing about the negative is that it needs to be acknowledged in order for people to improve and the fact of the matter is disney has gotten INCREDIBLY LAZY recently
they’ve used the same base mesh for the last three movies or so for most of their characters, they’re letting basic school-level mistakes get through, and they are making the greatest mistake you can make in 3d animation: believing that by making everything shiny and throwing in particle effects that it will cover up the animation
these are like, 2002-era mistakes here and disney of all companies has literally NO excuse to make them - they’ve gotten incredibly complacent and full of themselves and they think that just because they’re disney they can get away with anything they want and because of this as a whole their quality has drastically fallen
like the movie is pretty, no doubt - the particle simulation ability and incredible lighting software and layers and layers of shaders all look stunning!
but there are A LOT of problems with that movie, and it’s not even remotely just limited to sloppiness in the QA department (cough lack of poc and female representation cough and ripping apart the original tale that it’s based on cough couch) , and these things really, really, really, really need to be addressed - otherwise you’re going to let the biggest name in animation set a horrendous example
feel free to love the movie for what it is but don’t get on people for correctly pointing out the numerous flaws in it’s material
its 20 fucking 13 can we stop pretending that online activism and general awareness campaigns “dont do anything” before i got on tumblr i was a racist sexist anti-feminist piece of garbage whos greatest understanding of any social issue was discrimination against white gay men and that trans people were “men trapped in womens bodies”
obviously something fucking right is going on so why dont you stop being pessimistic little shits.
What is this fat acceptance stuff on Tumblr? I don’t hate or have a problem with people who are overweight. I just find it funny that Tumblr has a community for that.
I can’t help but wonder if people who talk about things “on Tumblr” realize that the people talking about these things on tumblr also exist in real life
Fat people practice fat acceptance off the internet as well
this isn’t just a “oh u silly tumblr!!!” thing.
Here’s a list of why people feel fat acceptance is a necessary thing:
- Multi-billion dollar diet/weight loss industry that works primarily by shaming fat bodies.
- “Research documents that fatter people face discrimination in employment (including lower wages), barriers in education, biased attitudes and lower quality of care from health professionals, stereotypes in the media, stigma in interpersonal relationships, and, overall, are judged negatively and treated with less respect. “
"Examples include being denied a job promotion or fired from a job because of one’s weight; being denied certain medical procedures or provided inferior medical care because of one’s weight; or being denied a scholarship, a bank loan or prevented from renting or buying a home because of one’s weight.”
- “Even physicians specializing in the treatment of obesity harbor significant weight biases, according to more recent studies. The problem has been well documented among other types of health professionals, nurses in particular. At least 11 studies focusing on nurses’ attitudes toward overweight and obese patients have been published. They consistently show that many nurses harbor negative biases toward these patients and, in some cases, would prefer not to care for them or even touch them.”
fat acceptance has been a thing for more than twenty years.
read something op. might i suggest analog sources of information. books existed before tumblr too.
shocking that concepts evolved without tumblr innit?
More than forty years! The Fat Liberation Manifesto was written in 1973.
Can I just add the fact that fat studies scholars exist as well? The concepts used on blogs like This is Thin Privilege are not just being spoken about in a vacuum. It’s still growing and very few people research fat experience / fat stigma but I’m constantly amused by people who think that this is the one small place in the world where people talk about it.
Tumblr may act like a community space for fat people to discuss their experiences in a way they may not be able to offline but lets not forget that fat people exist offline as well. We deal with bullshit in our daily lives, so the idea fat positive things don’t exist is just a really comforting lie to people who can’t handle fat people being happy.
Can we bring back the 90’s “oneesan” laugh? That was fun.
i didn’t realize this happened a lot until this photoset.
"OOOHHHHH HO HO HO HO HO HO HO!"
Probably my all-time favourite anime trope, ever.
forum response because it’s true
I wish the older gear sets didn’t look so bad. Lobster wishes too because wow Liadrin why do you make your knights wear this crap. I imagine he has to wear it for like.. official Blood Knight stuff, I dunno. He doesn’t wanna.
shout out to all the pallies who kept their Blood-Tempered Ranseur /highfive
not just followers, everyone.
I’m here if any of you need to talk<3
The best part is, this post actually does something, it offers support, unlike one of those useless “reblog if you care” posts.
Please don’t tell me you’re buying into all this idiotic pre-hate…
The Snow Queen is a Scandinavian tale. Scandinavians (such as Danish and Swedes) are supposed to look white with blonde hair, which is what Disney’s designs are. I’m not trying to be racist here, but I don’t want the designs changed just for the sake of having non-white characters in a story that originates from a country of white-skinned people.
Seriously, political correctness and white people shaming have gotten out of hand…
meet the Sami, the indigenous people of Scandinavia, genetically connected to Inuit people:
and btw, it’s a fairy tail all on it’s own that majority of people who live there are blonde blue eyed, etc. most people have brown hair, surprise. Oh and also? at this point in reality, dark people live in those countries too. You do realize that those countries are not somehow exempt from dark people, right? I can only imagine how alienating it must be for a not-blonde, blue-eyed ~aryan dream~ that’s Swedish/Danish/Norwegian/Finnish to hear all this shit thrown around about how people from their country are SUPPOSED to look. Just like how gross it is when people assume I can’t be American because I’m not white.
Again: Disney has a history of transplanting stories from one culture into another and into animals (Oliver and Company for example). I have a feeling that if these were animals, you wouldn’t be so quick to defend how the animals weren’t staying true to its “Scandinavian” roots.
look inside yourself simba. figure out why you’re upset about dark people in your “white” fairy tale. and not the lions in your hamlet.
you just got schooled
As a scandinavian person I wholehearteadly agree. If this is a story that takes place in the kind of icy and snowy scenery that we’ve seen in the promotional stills it should be about the Sami people. Because believe it or not, not all of Sweden is a snowy fucking fairytale landscape. The cold is only that thick up north. Where I live on the westcoast we only have snow for about a month, then a lot of rain that turns the snow into ice and then everyone falls on the ice and old people break their legs. Yes. The winter in most parts of scandinavia is not as glamorous as people who haven’t been here think.
And even if this story were to take place in for example the midlands of Sweden, where it’s decently cold but the majority of people are still white, the way the characters are designed are still stereotypical and boring. “Scandinavians (such as Danish and Swedes) are supposed to look white with blonde hair”. Don’t tell me what people of my country are suppoused to look like. I don’t look like that. Most people aren’t blonde. We may have a higher percentage of blonde people compared to other places in the world but it doesn’t make up the majority of Sweden. And the main reason this is boring is because we’ve seen this before. I would love to see a story about the Sami because it’s a part of my country that I know sadly little about and seeing them represented in media would be interesting. And even if you want to make this story about a white scandinavian girl then at least make her interesting. Make her something we haven’t seen a thousand times.
What gif best represents the rebuttals to tlrledbetter…
Yo, kind anon who asked me to kindly explain how Frozen was racially questionable at best!